UAV Fri, May 22, 2026 0:01 - Rafael Vieira Yeah, so we have uh I also have uh you're unmuted something can you can you hear me? 0:12 - Serhii Smirnov Uh no I I said it to say it. 0:15 - Rafael Vieira Ah okay okay hey say it you are unmuted. 0:27 - Rafael Vieira Give me a second you say so, I'll introduce. So, Serhii, I'm I know you were busy there. My name is Rafael. I run an AI and IoT software company based in Poland. And I also have a small company in Ukraine. My wife is Ukrainian, my daughter is half Ukrainian, half Brazilian, because I'm Brazilian. 0:57 - Rafael Vieira So we do we build intelligent automation systems you know things things that make machines smarter and we want to apply that to drones we want to to do some experience hello ah okay so that AJ is my is my architect he's on the head he had he's on the on the road so he's not not gonna be on camera, okay. Uh, yeah, so we'd like to apply that to drones. We'd like to help you guys there and see if we can build something useful for you. And if we can build something useful for you, then we would be interested in supply, like do like production line for you. 1:49 - Rafael Vieira I think we don't want to compete with it with FPV drones because I know that you guys are producing like crazy, like I don't know how much. I think Ukraine is producing like 300 to 400,000 per month now. 2:05 - Serhii Smirnov Totally in Ukraine, yeah, probably like the numbers more like that. So it's totally like from three to five million as far as I know. 2:14 - Rafael Vieira So you guys are. 2:18 - Rafael Vieira yeah, so you guys are well supplied with those, right? I think what we could contribute here is to build something, bring AI into these things, because this is what we do. Know, swift some Raspberry Pi, do something more intelligent. But I would like to listen from you a little bit and understand what are your problems at the moment. 2:51 - Serhii Smirnov So, yeah, I've been, so I'm in from the day of its, not on the day, but from the second month of its founded this battalion of house, you say, it's a separate, unmanned battalion. So we specialize only on the uh drones so like in all of that drones is of course the most part of this our operators working on activ drones regular one uh and we have uh also big part of uh of team that work in with the bombers with heavy heavy drones and we have also like a survivals survival drone like a wind drone that can help us to find the enemy. Yeah, and most of the time we work with, you know, like manual aimed drone. So we are manually aimed, our operators manually aim drones on the targets. So we previously we have a few also like a tested part. Uh, tested uh examples of drones that uh try to auto-aim on the target, but it was unsucceed. 4:19 - Rafael Vieira What happened? 4:20 - Serhii Smirnov Uh so, uh, I'm not an operator, but I am the one who uh who defined the target, uh, you know, so but I really into like, m more on the high level my position is more like to operate all of this uh process but not to not to be responsible on the technical part. But the things that I uh know from the report that uh the drones so they took a lot of time operators took a lot of time to uh make this uh outdoor aim. Things. So, when they on the target, they try to make this feature the drones will aim on the target target, but it takes about three, five minutes because the target was like didn't catch the drone. And another thing, when it cached, it's still not. Not precisely aimed to the target uh-huh okay okay so precision is uh is an issue precision yeah so uh I don't know exactly what what was happened at that time because you know I just um know about know about this information I observe this how they work uh on the stream I communicate with them but I don't know the exactly what technical uh issues they had when they so basically right now you need you need one operator per drone. 6:08 - Rafael Vieira Right? 6:09 - Serhii Smirnov Of course, so one operator, but we have like a second pilot, you know, so the guy who can help to navigate when the tar where the target is. 6:19 - Rafael Vieira So you use like two guys per drone? 6:22 - Serhii Smirnov Um actually on position it could be up to on the average, it's three guys because we have two guys that are responsible for drone aiming, winding, and we have another one guy, it's like a spotter. We call it the guy who put on the drone the ammo and go out with it and place on the start position. 6:49 - Rafael Vieira The guy, the guy on the ground, yeah, yeah. 6:58 - Serhii Smirnov Not to target, so if we're talking about FPV drones, we have to have like um before we we use uh like uh regular uh uh antennas that just uh s stand and uh the FP drones are go to like a really limited um area. But right now we are working with retranslators that placed on the matrice type of drones this like dji drones and we they can like fly over the position or near the position and help to get better signal and the drone can fly you know on the wide range of area so so how many how many on a normal day how many drones do you deploy do you launch uh per day for per position on on the quiet days uh it's from ten to fifteen drones per day per position many of these how many if you could like give me an average like how many of these hit the targets it depends but from my personal statistic so it depends on target of course it's if it's like a human it can be and if it's for example in a in a good condition so and this is the enemy on open field it can be from one to two drones but overall what so two around one to two drones out of ten hit the target? If we talking about good conditions, you know? 8:52 - beg xrsn Yeah, the result is usually up to twenty percent, regardless of what drones you use. Even the C drones and everything is like about twenty percent successful rate. 9:10 - Serhii Smirnov So, if we're talking about the hidden drones, so regularly it takes one to two drones to hit the target because sometimes the drone can be like, you know, have a bad signal and we can lost it. And sometimes, if the area where the enemy is spotted can be with some Jammers or something. Yes, yes. 9:38 - Rafael Vieira Or trees on top of woods, because right now it's like our concrete buildings. 9:45 - Serhii Smirnov Yes, yes, yes. 9:47 - Rafael Vieira So these drones don't have a system to deviate from trees and totally manually. And this you do it optionally. It's like it's your option to buy these specific drones. Because of price or because you prefer to manually pilot them what is the reason I think the reason is because the systems that we tested previously is raw. 10:16 - Serhii Smirnov it's not not totally cover our needs. It's as I mentioned, we uh we tested a few of them and it was like uh th those uh time consuming uh issues and uh the precision is was not clear. 10:34 - beg xrsn so uh the uh one of the uh sorry for interrupting one of the main issues is the uh the lagging the lagging of the communication between the operator and the drone and uh also signal loss when you go through trees or a forest or concrete buildings and all that so uh signal is an issue uh yeah well when the drone flying d l low So we try to, fly this retranslator drone with matrix fly as much higher as we can. 11:11 - Serhii Smirnov But still, if we try to hit really precisely the target, it's like really hard. 11:18 - beg xrsn Yeah, so there should be a real time. Communication between the operator and the drone to be real-time to communication. 11:29 - Serhii Smirnov But as I mentioned, if we work, we previously worked with this. But faster, faster, real more efficient. For some reason, the aiming process was really take a lot of time. 11:44 - Rafael Vieira Okay. So if it will lose communication, at least the aiming, the aiming process should be faster, right? 11:49 - beg xrsn Because I mean, do you think it depends on the kind of processor that's used in the operations, do you think? What's the cause of it? How can it be fixed? Do you think if there's a better processor or processors involved, it's the book. Sorry, go on, go on. 12:14 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe it's the hardware part and the software part because I'm I think it's not about the processor, but about the quality of camera maybe and the quality of soft soft itself. 12:26 - beg xrsn Okay, so the software should use programming which is easier for the processor to execute faster. 12:35 - Rafael Vieira Okay. 12:37 - Rafael Vieira And certainly, sorry for my ignorance, but once the drone deploys, once you deploy the drone and you are at some coordinates, at that moment, let's say you could say, okay, hit a target and then it could go for any human on that region, or you have guys also in that region that is it could be dangerous? 13:07 - Serhii Smirnov It depends, yeah. Literally, yesterday we have this situation when we have like uh our our guys uh was on 30 or 50 meters uh with the enemies and uh it's like it's it's a it's it's a good uh It's a good position. It's a good situation because this distance is we're pretty sure that we will definitely not aim on our guys, you know. But of course, there was some there was some situation, cases when we have like a really direct contact with the enemies, and in this case, we most rely on not on the FPVs, but FPVs on the signal, but FPV on the optofiber or on the heavy bombers, heavy ones. Because we can't trust on the regular ones, regular drones, because we can lost the signal or something can happen and we wouldn't control the situation. 14:21 - Rafael Vieira optic fiber is something that you are using heavily now, or it just depends on the it depends. 14:29 - Serhii Smirnov So regularly it's like maybe 10 per day totally per day because we have like a two or three positions. It depends on also on situation, but it's not we we use it when for example, not only for hitting the target, but also with uh to make a like a ground survival survival survivals to to check you know if something mavi can check on on this uh high uh for the trees and some others if something moves um I didn't I didn't understand sorry so we are using optifiber drones not only for hitting the target But if we want to check what can be or who can be sitting, you know, above the trees or under the trees, or if some our lost positions can be already placed by enemies, and we and the observation from Mavic is not enough to check everything. 15:36 - Rafael Vieira So we can just look at thermal lenses. 15:41 - Serhii Smirnov Yes, yes, of course. But you know, uh hi here are uh the the trees are so uh how to say so e even with the thermal uh camera it's not uh totally helps us to check what can be placed under the tree uh below the trees and also the another thing is uh the enemies are using this uh thermal uh codes To be not able to find by terminals. 16:18 - Rafael Vieira So, what kills your drones the most? Like, what do you think is the biggest problem right now? 16:26 - Serhii Smirnov The biggest problem with drones? 16:28 - Rafael Vieira Yeah, what happens with the other 80%? Syed says that 20% achieved the target. What usually with the rest? 16:38 - Serhii Smirnov So so the average uh problem is uh the signal, the loss of the signal. Because uh it's a good when for example uh you loss uh can loss the signal on the high of uh ten or five meters. Uh regularly it's can happen even higher. 17:00 - Rafael Vieira So, and is there a reason for? Do you know the reason for it? 17:03 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, radio signal, the horizontal, you know, even despite the fact that, as I mentioned, we use this matrix with retranslators that can. Go up to 400 meters, 500 meters, and can provide better signal. It's still because of, if the enemy plays near the tweets or 10 meters in the twist and the retranslator are on the distance like 10 or 15 kilometers from the enemy, it's still not. Can help to provide the strict direct signal until they're hitting the target. 17:49 - beg xrsn Sorry for interrupting. Sorry. But the fiber optics, they don't lose signal, right? They are always connected. It's only about the 17:59 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, but they're also the problem with the fiber opticself because it can be like we can lose the drone because of a lot of reason, because of the strong wind, the obstacles that drone passing while going well. 18:16 - beg xrsn There, there are natural causes that we cannot control, and there are causes that we might be able to control, for example. Like, you know, but natural causes, of course, it's out of everyone's control. 18:31 - Rafael Vieira Yes, good points. Good point. I think, like, so when you have, when you say that you lost a signal, is it a natural? So, the radio signal there is because, of course, there's a war and people communicate via radio, or is it a German signal that the enemy sends? 18:50 - Serhii Smirnov Most of the time, it's because of the natural obstacles. 18:53 - Rafael Vieira Okay, it's just like communication waves, right? 18:56 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, yeah, and in these uh cases our operators just you know just try to touch uh the lowest point and when he loads the signal uh the drone automatically try to uh go going up and uh try to find the signal back. Back. 19:16 - beg xrsn So it's like it has some degree of intelligence. 19:22 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, okay. 19:23 - beg xrsn So it's like intelligent goes back to find the signal. 19:27 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, yeah. And then when the operator knows the lowest point, he understands the like direction from which he can aim the target and direct drone from this height to the target. 19:49 - Rafael Vieira Okay. So do you do you do you think you lose more drones to Russian's jamming system or to your own jamming issues? 19:59 - Serhii Smirnov To totally with jamming system because on the front line, so you know this we have like a technical area of operated operating battle, a strategic area of battle. So the tactical is like could be 10 or 50 kilometers from the front line. And on this area, they have like, and we have, of course, these German systems, but it's not so it's not so hard to avoid them. 20:36 - Serhii Smirnov They have the drones usually have a few channels and they can switch on flight on flight to find the needed channel. But if we're talking about the tech navigative operating area, it's like farther twenty or more than twenty kilometers, let's just say. Then they have near the cities they have like more high quality uh systems that totally can e e m much easily uh interrupt uh in our channels and uh we can lose control with the So, like, TV, TV, mobile phone signals, and everything, yeah. Everything they put specific like interruptors or interceptors and stuff. Yeah, yeah, jammers. 21:33 - Rafael Vieira So, does the optical fiber solve this problem completely, or it just like helps it at some degree? 21:44 - Serhii Smirnov uh you know uh it it in theoretically yeah, it's can solve it, but uh practically uh to launch the fiber optic took more time than uh regular drone because this fiber uh this how to say uh the fiber optic need to be set up properly, uh then it takes uh much more time to deliver the drone. To the position because it's also also heavier and it's more sensitive. So, to not being cut on some like natural obstacles, should think about logistic. 22:38 - Serhii Smirnov a fiber optic should lie gently, more gently on the trees and not cutting them. And of course, the price. Right now, a fiber optic itself is really cost costly. And so, in terms of like hitting targets, the regular drones are still the best in terms of quality. 23:04 - Serhii Smirnov I mean like not the I mean the quality of delivery of the drone. The fibroc be better, but it's slower. Slower and costly. 23:18 - Rafael Vieira So when you say like that the setup is is it takes longer, how long does it take for you to to train a new let's say FPV operator? 23:30 - Serhii Smirnov to actually be using um I think it's like up to one month it could be trained he could be trained right now but it's like you know uh he he ha he passing this uh pract practical uh theoretical stuff and practical on the uh like polygon you know the area where he tested everything. Yes, and then of course, he needs to pass some time on real field with more hype professional guys to be able to control the drone by himself. And it could be, I think. Or two. Like a co-pilot or something. Yeah, yeah. 24:24 - beg xrsn Copilot, yeah. 24:27 - Rafael Vieira So, so from all these issues that we discussed so far, Serhii, what do you think, like, if you could change one thing on your drones, like one thing, just one, like, what would it be? 24:43 - Serhii Smirnov I think the most important thing is with the signal. Besides everything because signal loss needs the enemy, you know. 25:01 - Rafael Vieira So it would autonomous guidance in the last 500 meters be useful? Sorry, come again, come from autonomous guidance to the target in the last 500 meters be useful or all the systems you tried with autonomous autonomous guidance, I mean like, locking in the the target and and uh and going for it instead of the multiple process. So uh would it be useful or all the system that that you tried so far didn't work? 25:33 - Serhii Smirnov Uh as I mentioned uh we used uh I think a couple of them only, it's not all all of them. The first one and the second one, this system works not on the distance of 500 meters, but really close. 25:48 - Serhii Smirnov Right before the target. It's like 10 or 50 meters, something like that. Distance we're talking about. Of course, the target should be observed by the drone operator itself. 26:01 - beg xrsn You have used a secondary targeting drone, right? That you have you used a secondary targeting drone that targets and then the actual drone hits the target, or you don't use that? 26:15 - Serhii Smirnov It's d definite uh it's another systems. And I know it's uh only in the complex of that called Bulava, but of course they have much more of them. It's like a long range uh type of drones. And they fly in over 60 kilometers or something like that. 26:34 - beg xrsn Okay, but it's like a laser-guided missile. You know, one guy goes to the target, points the laser to the target, and then the laser-guided missile comes and hits it. So, do you use that kind of drones that one drone stays above like a thousand meters high or 500 meters high, and then the other drone uses the targeting system from this drone and hits the target? 26:56 - Serhii Smirnov Yes, yes. 26:58 - Rafael Vieira The problem with these drones is that usually the enemy is between buildings, like behind trees and stuff. 27:06 - Serhii Smirnov It's not a problem because this type of drones are not usually specifically for one enemy. 27:11 - beg xrsn You know, it's like a like a group of enemies. 27:15 - Serhii Smirnov Group of enemies, like a heavy technique or the buildings where where we know that something really important placed. 27:23 - Rafael Vieira so yeah so there's there's enough are not uh playing with the enemies hiding in secret it's like yeah so it's it's a more uh heavier heavier uh heavy load of yeah stuff you know what what is what which drone is it uh say it boulevard uh so this is like uh heavier drones heavier drones. 27:51 - Serhii Smirnov It's not a FPV type of drones, it's wind they use a secondary targeting drone which targets and then they have like uh we we use uh the Swavans type of drones that fly over the area and when they detect the uh target, it's like uh opened it and then the this drone uh aimed with a aim. Yeah. He is connected with it and hitting the target. 28:23 - beg xrsn Yeah, and it's more it's probably more effective and less loss of drones in the process, right? It's more effective. 28:32 - Serhii Smirnov But it's really co costly. 28:35 - beg xrsn That's why it's I I don't re know the actual prices, but it's yeah, yeah, it and it needs an operator who locks the target and operator to release the other the actual drone. Yeah, all right, cool. Okay, all right. 28:53 - Rafael Vieira Hey, say hey, do you usually like know sort of where the enemy is, or you you like, of course you do, but like more precisely, like inside the five hundred. Meters, 200 meters range, like would have it. Have you tried, have you guys tried balloons, like drones? 29:17 - Serhii Smirnov Uh, no, we don't try it, we didn't try it. 29:21 - Rafael Vieira Okay, but like, if you, if you, if you could send, like, if you could send a drone to the certain location and then it deploys from there, so you'd know where this location is, you'd know. Or you, or you disco, or when you fly, you know like, okay, they are north, somewhere in the north. So you fly, uh, I don't know, Mavericks first to see where they are, and then you send the other drones. How how does the process look like, 29:54 - Serhii Smirnov Uh basically we use uh these two type of uh tactics because uh of course we have the regular uh surveillance uh area for Mavericks uh and our uh intelligence uh Provide information when the enemy or when or where the enemy can get to us. And for these areas, we send Mavix first to search the area and understand if there are any moves or no. And the second option also is really showing the results because sometimes in the quiet days, when nothing's happened, the operators still need to work and still need to detect the targets. And we know where the enemy is placed. Like they can hide in the bunkers, trenches, and we know they are there. Sometimes they just, you know, in winter time, they can just. Walk out with the bottle to grab some snow to melt it into water yeah and we can also catch them in this only even in this quick quick yeah yeah in these situations so we know so in these cases in this strategy strategy the drones operator couldn't could send the drone to this area they can fly over If they couldn't find any specific target, we know that they have like entrance to the bunkers, and we can hit by there. We can find some generators, we can find some antennas that can be hiding in the trees and other stuff. So we can definitely work with both strategies. 31:50 - Rafael Vieira Okay. And okay, so would it make sense for you, let's say, I think the first step here now is like I will collect this, I will collect this information and I'll talk with my team, and then we come up with some ideas. And then I send to you, and let's say we agree on some ideas. Then, would it make sense if I brought to you, I don't know, five, ten drones and you test there with your team and 32:21 - Rafael Vieira for you? 32:21 - Serhii Smirnov Like would you give feedback after yeah yes but uh I need to ch uh to double check uh you know for example we also not not the specifically with this type of drones with uh iot uh stuff or ai stuff uh sorry uh so maybe the batch can be different because um you know the first drone can be to know the result, need to have bigger amount of or volume of it to get like clear statistics. 33:02 - Rafael Vieira I didn't get it. 33:04 - beg xrsn Well, he means that we need to have to, in order to get the statistics, we need to have a bigger batch, like many, like a lot of 33:15 - Serhii Smirnov drones, like not a lot of, but maybe another. 33:19 - beg xrsn Like a dozen, yeah, like a dozen, maybe like 12 or 10 or at least, right? 33:25 - Serhii Smirnov to get the statistics. 33:28 - Rafael Vieira Okay, okay. Interesting. Yes, yes. And all right. And Serhii, would you be able to get more people involved if we produce these drones and we send to you? 33:40 - Serhii Smirnov like could you introduce us or or bring to the meeting uh some decision makers in the future in case these drones work and we want to get into production to take for us to take the next step um yeah yeah so of course I uh it's not I'm not the operator but you know I also because of my because of I work already two years in this field So we uh also get uh f some uh volunteers, charity phones. And as I'm not the like a joint operator, but these funds are willing to help us in some way. So I connected with the commanders and they also already passing these uh funds and other stuff to them. So uh I mean it's I I sorry. I won't be test them. So I definitely will pass it to them and also can connect you with some thoughts. 34:45 - beg xrsn Guys, great decision makers. 34:48 - Rafael Vieira Sounds good. Sounds good. Do you have any questions for me? 34:54 - Serhii Smirnov Not at the moment, you know, because I understand you right now just, you observing the making the kind of research. 35:06 - beg xrsn Sorry that I didn't introduce introduce Rafael. He's uh uh I I have already introduced you, but not today. Uh you know he's he's a good friend of mine like you more than probably ten years. We know each other. So and Serhii is uh we used to go to the gym together. We used to do CrossFit together. So we're we're uh CrossFit buddies, you know, from 2014. Yeah, that's a total birth. 35:32 - Serhii Smirnov know each other. 35:32 - beg xrsn So we know each other, we know each other's families, and this is guy, you one of my good friends and best friends in Ukraine. So, and Rafael is one of my best friends, one of my best international friends, and he's a very trustworthy guy, and very business-oriented and professional. So, I think this you. This introduction will be very good, and you know, for everybody, and of course, he wants to help. And at the same time, you know, we all want to make some money and produce something useful, you know. 36:12 - Rafael Vieira Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Sayed. Yeah, Sayed is an amazing guy. Yeah, I mean, the first goal here is to help you guys. I don't want you to deliver more FPV drones, which you get like in baskets, but I want to maybe prototype something that can help you know. And you imagine if I can, then you everybody's happy. 36:38 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah. 36:39 - beg xrsn And the best place to test, is in the real. In the in real life, you know, in the real battlefield. So I think this is definitely a good opportunity to test something, some new product, and get your feedback. 36:54 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, it's definitely differs between what can be tested on the test on the poly polygon, you know, just on the you know clear Clear sky and imaginary imaginary target. 37:13 - beg xrsn Yes, yes. 37:14 - Serhii Smirnov And it's definitely when you work it with working with it on real war area. Yeah. 37:21 - Rafael Vieira Two different, completely different environments, right? 37:24 - Serhii Smirnov Yes, yes, totally different. And another thing that I want to mention because of this, I think you know and heard about it because you have a wife from Ukraine and as far as you know in Brazil. Happening sometimes the same situation because of the corruption issues. We also our I just wanted to warn you that all of the drones that get to us should pass in some type of certifications and allowings to get them to us, you know. So it's also the main issue to the one of the biggest issues, of course, is to produce the that can deliver the good results but another thing is to pass all of this yeah and right now I know it's needs to go through 24 yeah and it's really easy to do easily in comparison you know to to the times before the work starts what what do you mean easy to do easy to get certification it's easier now yeah yeah of course you need us so we do we need a certification for the for the donations as well uh no for donations no no okay I mean if you go further further and then for production we need to be listed on brave one and all that I haven't got on in ukraine already necessary but it's really uh likely uh because we also if we're talking about receiving the drones so we receive some portion of drones for government Also, the government provides some amount of money to make purchasing by ourselves to the drones and stuff that we need. 39:12 - Serhii Smirnov And we don't need to, to send the request directly to government or to hire commanders, same that say, hey, we need this and that. So they just send us money and we can buy something that needs to our battalion. 39:27 - beg xrsn So you have a certain budget for personal purchases. 39:32 - Serhii Smirnov Yeah, but of course this budget we can spend only on allowing list of supplies. And another thing is like a third source, third source is maybe. Heard about this system like a gamification system that calls Yabali it's like when we hit some enemies or targets we and we get the the video of how we hit it. These videos are verificated. And for example, for one for for killing one of the enemies we can get twelve twelve points that wow it's changed can be changed one point is like five thousand greenhouse so it's like yeah so but you know a couple few millions of greenhouse it's it's better than getting points for an airline ticket Good motivation, Peter. And this money we can exchange on this brilliant market. 40:42 - Rafael Vieira Ah, got it, got it. Now I understand. Okay, okay. So, Serhii, would you like to would you be available to help us with feedback? For example, on this, we are going to give you a proposal, or maybe you tell, look, guys, I think this can be adjusted, this can be different. Little. Would you have time for that, or shouldn't I? I shouldn't bother you. 41:09 - Serhii Smirnov I have time. I can help you with it. Of course, it's not, you if it not takes like five hours per day. Something like that. 41:19 - Rafael Vieira Put something together and I'll send to you. That's all. No problem. 41:22 - Serhii Smirnov No problem. 41:24 - Rafael Vieira You say, I'll make it easy for you. You just say, yes, this is good, or this is not going to work. Honest feedback, you know, before we get into production and then we take it from there. 41:34 - Serhii Smirnov Sure, sure, sure. And one thing I noticed that you recorded this session, Ria? 41:43 - Rafael Vieira Yeah, I was going to say we I recorded it for me and my team to you know through it and and get this uh okay get don't don't lose anything. Okay I I will I will be appreciated if it's not you know spread now don't worry this is just between me and and my team and I'll tell you what I'll delete it after we do the proposals okay if if it stays like locally it's not not a problem no it stays absolutely locally okay I'm more ukrainian than brazilia don't worry Thank you very much. 42:24 - beg xrsn And take care. 42:28 - Serhii Smirnov Thank you. 42:28 - beg xrsn Good to see you guys. Take care.