UAV
Krakow meeting - Sat, May 30, 2026
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0:00  So, yeah, so I'm talking with some guys, you know, I have five brigades. And these are guys, commanders, you know, and they are very, I'm still, I would like to hear from you, like, what is your experience with this? because you started very early to help them and yeah so i have i have these guys interested you

0:33  know in general cherishnya drozd um best check best i have i have all the specifications here I'm just trying because I see that you cream market like there is a lot of factors there's a lot of people producing but half of them are still half is producing half is still it's not that everybody's busy you know like if

1:11  If you have a good product, you sell them. If you have mediocre product, you still sell, but you know, like... One time. People are not very crazy to buy your stuff because they wait for the better product. Okay, okay. And now, you know, like at the very beginning, there were like this, you know, like, it depends whom you know, you know, in order to sell. Now more and more, I think from what I hear more and more, because we are, we used to have one of the products that we were selling.

1:46  Now we decided to make it like the best of this. Anti-drone? Not the anti-drone, but the drone detector. Drone detector should be like very good. So we have the first model. Uh-huh. First model should be very good. So we ordered another. So it's both R&D, but also already kind of like, you know, so you make the product, you right away like give it

2:18  because people ask for this. And what is the cost of a unit for this? I don't keep it all in mind, but it's about, that's 18,000 RENAS. That's about- Oh, that's very cheap. No, it's not. And it's effective? Well, this is the identification. Thank you very much. This is the detector.

2:50  But for the anti-drone protection, this is a little bit more difficult. Because you had also anti-drone. like but your anti-drone just hacked the system it doesn't it doesn't uh um take it down it takes down okay no sorry i remember we talked about it but it takes down um like you i'm not talking

3:19  fully specifically because i'm doing all the legal stuff plus you are doing a million things so i I don't blame you. Yeah, but the idea of this anti-drone is that it creates the... Let's be clear. Drone has the connection with the operator. So the anti-drone provides the... So if it works to... So that the drone will lose connection. Will not be...

3:49  Jam. Jam the connection with the... with the operator. And that's it? It's a jammer? Well, so the jammer is... So our anti-drone is consisted of 8 to 12, depending on the model that we are now testing, 8 to 12 jammers. But the thing that separates us from the regular market is that

4:20  of course we have our own jammers not sure now whether it's that it was a very good idea from the world from the start because many use chinese jammers uh ours uh we thought that they will be much better they are not much better they are in some respects a little bit better some people respect the same but at least they are producing ukraine not in the north China. So you know what you're thinking long term so you want to localize. Yes of course and the government is also punishing importing right? No well no I don't think so now everybody like

4:55  whatever you can take from China or whatever. Yeah I read some articles that they were like trying to put a tax on top of import. No but that's tax on the like regular things that you know all the parcels, all the packages that are now up to I think 200 euros, they are tax free. People just order like 100 boxes each order, and it's like they pay no duty or nothing.

5:25  That's what the government wished to change. But simultaneously, obviously, they did not solve the issue because many, like, granted users, all the stuff for the military, they also rely on this shipment. Also, without the duties, because otherwise it just goes up. And, I don't know. My opinion is that the government shouldn't do it at the moment.

5:54  But, you know, that's a rather political discussion. Yeah. OK. Tell me, so you are now, so these commanders of the brigades, they want you to develop something or to produce? Look, the conversation started with me developing. And then I realized that what they are using is not working. So they are just wishing something better. For example, they use in this brigade, one of the brigades

6:22  is 419, Achilles. Achilles. Achilles. And these are like drones specialized and I know the commander, the UAV commander. And this guy is like, he tells me like, Raph, thank you very much. I'm very glad you can help us. You know, we have, we are doing fiber optic mostly because there is no jamming. But the problem is that we get cables that they snap, like you get 20 kilometers at 16

6:55  kilometers, they snap, you know. the battery is shit so these are the two problems so i told and then we started to talk and talk i i got to the conclusion i said look dimas you know what about i just provide you like drones with better fiber optic and and battery let's just start from there instead of me trying to revolutionize the war you know let's just like try to get something better and that's when the oldest conversation started then i realized in uh there is a huge uh gap of fiber optics in in ukraine

7:31  there is no fiber optics they are very suffering bless you thank you have you seen any friends that's true yeah i don't know ukraine but i know all the ukrainian superstitions Yeah, all the people say that. So see, what you say, that's true. And I'm also, I know that many guys in the military are very pleased that, okay, of course, first year of the war, and we don't have our own production

8:00  because of fiber optics. This is not rocket science. But it's an expensive plant. It is. And you still need to import the raw material from China. that's not so much of a problem to buy the callisters but you still need to so this is another opportunity that we could do together maybe I don't know like for example you know we import a container of callisters good callisters

8:29  I found some suppliers I don't know the quality they say it's great but this is a question of we go visit the factory in China you know But who will do the production? You mean like to make the production of the fiber optics? No. First to import the container of callisters. If they are in high demand, if you confirm the demand... I know someone who is making the... You know, the things, the spins. The callisters.

8:59  Callisters? It's the tube where the fiber optic is inside. inside yes so you would like to to to import already callisters with the fiber that's the first that's the first idea because very simple idea because i know someone who is making this callister and then they make sure that is the height color kilometrage yes in ukraine but these guys they are out they they sold everything like they don't they cannot produce fast enough okay I know someone who is actually making the callisters from the 3D printers.

9:35  So the printers make them and then they provide to other people who are like... Yeah, no, the callister is easy. It's just plastic, right? Yeah, but the problem is the cable. Fiber optic cable is the problem. To put a factory together is a hundred mil, you know? It's not cheap, especially right now because there is a demand from war and there is a demand from AI. You know, Marks Quebec broke a deal with Zion, one of the biggest providers, 6 billion.

10:13  6 billion just in fiber optic cables. You know, there are guys in Ukraine, they order fiber optic from China. It starts at $5 per kilometer. So they ordered and then the guy called them, it's ready, but unless you put $20 per kilometer now, I'll cancel the order. I know that this bike was,

10:42  the worst thing is that this is our invention. We, like, we came up with the first... It was the first one with fiber? to invent it, to use it on the drones and so on. And then Russians started to do mass production of that. Yeah, the war is a bitch, no? Like you do one thing, there is no trademark. So you need to do... Look, if we do this, like, I understand this is a research and development business.

11:12  This is not a drone business, this is not an anti-drone business. These are like a research and development. It's like nonstop research and development. No stop testing, every day. All the time, and you test what works, and then try to do it right away, and then see how they react, and then do again, and again, and again. Which is actually, you know, like for those who like to have a calm life, this is a nightmare. And for those who, you know, like, who has some drive, that's like the dream world,

11:45  because you can leave all the competitors behind, and you can do something. Or you can hit the wall. One of my projects, I don't know if you see it, I was thinking with my partner how to save it, but we spent almost one year, a lot of money, the result is not really what we wished for. For what? It's part of the genres. So it's only because we, like now, because of the different groups,

12:14  So we combined various expertise and it's almost like, I never thought about this at the beginning, but as Steve Jobs said, you always connect the dots backwards. So now I think it was good because we are under one umbrella more or less. We, because it's only like this guy who is more technical, and then we are part of a few other groups.

12:46  So one of the groups is like, they perform very well, very high potential and so on. And then a few others are more or less on the same level. which is tomorrow or Monday we have a meeting just to decide what to do with the week I don know like or Stuck the bleeding Cut the loss Either cut the loss or... Actually, my intention is to put on with it for another month at least.

13:17  But we'll see, we'll see. Because luckily nothing is dependent only on this whole team, but... but we like the the best thing is just that we just put in our money that we're gone um well we learned a little bit so we definitely not know what does not work which is also good but you know this is not the knowledge that you can sell yeah and sometimes it's an expensive

13:45  learning but you know like for those who will start with stuff uh uh improving the jammers that knowledge probably will be good, because otherwise they will also try this, try this, and nothing will work. For example, now I heard from another brigade that, but they are not UAV specialized, but all of them use drugs, right? Yeah, everybody uses drugs. But they are, for this brigade, they say, look, we stopped using fiber optic because it got so expensive.

14:16  We are now using radio with translators so they can switch frequency. So your idea is to bring fiber optics and battery batteries, right? That's the challenge of one brigade that this guy, he's sitting on the money and he buys every month. And these brigades, you know, they get like 600k per month, 650k per month for spelling.

14:48  So this is like a, I know you are Ukrainian and you are a long time in the war, but this is like, I think it's a good, maybe it's a good opportunity for us to help and make some money, you know. And once we get through the door, we can supply them many other things. Because I'm a hustler, you're a hustler, we can find stuff. No? Yeah. Okay, so that's about it. But you also mentioned the AI. So AI is...

15:19  Yeah, so that is like... So targeting and also return to base. If you get lost or jumped or... So if you get jumped, for example, it returns to base, right? So you would like to install some... yeah so Nvidia has some some ships called nano something it cost like $200 where this is possible because you also need to be able to process video it's

15:48  just you cannot put a Raspberry Pi or something like a good processor but if for example the camera was like a wanted was the laser So it relies on the video, like the drone will not be able to... For returning to base, it relies on GPS first, then it can rely also in direction, like us, remember when we didn't have GPS?

16:21  So it's like, on the way, it knows what is where, and then it knows that when it turns around, the left should be on the right, and you know. So this is also, but the camera needs to be working for this. or the GPS and then there's Starlink right but then it gets a little bit more expensive not too much but it gets a little bit more expensive so basically you would program the chips and install them we can program the

16:49  chips installing the drones which is risky because then we need to go to the drone factory and they are usually targets right or we sell just the ships and then they mount in the drone factory. I have a drone factory in Kiev and this guy is connected to everybody So he said we want 20,000 drones we can build like I I'm not myself, but I have a network of people who can help I have a few, those who actually, there are small producers, there are mass-scale producers,

17:35  and the Kishershne and so on, so basically they will do a lot, and they are good, so they will always have, when you say that they are half-working, that's half-working those who do not have the very good product. if they are not just you know two drivers and just collect connecting but there's some

18:04  something invented there's some rnd involved they have a chance to you know you know some guys yeah i know yeah but you know like the r d part is it's tricky because it's never like you know first you cannot say normally If you have people who are very qualified for what the engineers and so on, you cannot tell them what to do because your level of competence now will be like them.

18:36  On the other hand, the military guys also cannot tell what to do because they know only from their own experience. But sometimes there should be some combination of those who create and those who give the idea of what can be done. Because the militaries, they can say about their problems, but not to listen to their solutions. Because their solutions, it's like Henry Ford, if he was thinking what the market needs, he would be doing faster horses.

19:12  So here we need to find someone who thinks about this in one way, which is failing, and there is at least the engineers who are trying to create something like new. And here where I can help actually, I don't know, do you have a chance, chance to have experience with building like independent models that test some specific

19:41  questions because for example if you ask Lord or Gemini any military related more related they don't want to answer yeah did you have a chance to do something yes we can train we have this we have a lot of experience with there are different models that are uh that are open source models that you can you know but okay then uh how does it work because i understand that for your business for this uh

20:13  you have a model that helps you with real estate management, right? Yes. So is it part of your own model or it's part of some open source that everybody else can also use? No, real estate is easy because then you just fill the knowledge base with what that real estate is about.

20:42  the renters, the contracts, the rules, the whole business. You feed the, they call it RAC, you feed the knowledge base with that, and then basically the AI knows where to use it, and you can even ask questions. The same you could do for military, because there is not a model in the world that, I mean, there might be in the dark web, with military knowledge base,

21:12  But there is military knowledge and there are LLMs and you can connect them. Exactly. So my question is if I understand that right, you have, you built an LLM, which is like, you know, I know it should be connected to internet anyway, right? but it should be somehow secure, where you fit your own set of knowledge.

21:42  For example, what frequencies are used for drones, right? Then how drones will fly. and how it works, I'm talking about the genres, but it can be from any other idea. And then you feed all the scholars, you can take them actually even from the military, you work with them, you know, explain to them why you need it.

22:13  So basically you have the LLM, where you feed all the knowledge that you have, which is not, you know, kind of like online. And then you ask questions. And how to prove this, how to prove that, you receive the answers, basically for your R&D purposes. Some of the answers you will see that it's bullshit. Some of the answers maybe, you know, you're thinking, right, maybe it will give you some idea how to do it and so on.

22:41  So this can be a very interesting project for the R&D. But I don't know. This is very easy for us. Is it hard to do? No, for us this is very easy to do. Question is, how we would feed it? Because this is not just get some books about military, get the latest news about the war. This is like the army needs to feed it. Somebody, or somehow, we need to feed it on the like a...

23:13  Because military knowledge evolves every hour. you know today's tactics is yesterday's tactics is old old you know but i mean for example the basic uh you know like what's okay some books obviously you know from the physics and so on you can uh put there that's the basic they need to have but information like what frequency are the drones these need to be fed by somebody okay so imagine we have this access to this information then i can

23:44  Very, very, very. Very, very? We need computer power. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. How much would cost the computer to go for this? It depends how many people it's going to use. I don't know, a couple. One, two, three. Do they need to be simultaneously? You asked simultaneously? Yeah. Two, maybe three at most. So what's the use case for this?

24:14  This will help speed up the R&D. Ah, you want to do it specifically for your company. Not only for my company, it can be also for my company, yes, but I'm thinking like if I need something, I'm just thinking whether someone can provide this. Somebody else also. but but if nobody provides that maybe someone else also needs and i know that people who would

24:43  benefit from them and then and then i can say okay i can share the costs or if i would like then i can sell you some of the you know like either sell or we'll see we'll think about how to benefit because uh other uh those who will be using while using they will give another set of knowledge so the my idea is that

25:13  it captures it keeps absorbing it keeps absorbing it improves itself yeah but but that's okay roughly just can you give me the idea how much this computing power what am i right it's just a computer with the processors so and uh connected to internet or yes you are kind of right if you think it's local if you think like two or three companies using it could be a little bit more

25:47  than that but i don't know like if i need to tell you about ballpark it probably would cost Just for this project, we need our own servers. That's a problem. You cannot use Google first. Yeah, yeah. So that How many I don know 10 20 20 I think I think maybe five I don know 10 20 20 I think maybe 5 I don know I need to look, I need to look because also RAM prices are like this.

26:18  For your model, for example, how do you use? How do you use open source? For my model, I use Google servers. We don't build our own machine, we don't need it. Unless you have some super... Is it secure? Yes, for business, yes. From China. I don't know because it's all American. And they will then block it. Or sell the info. See what you do?

26:46  Or sell the info. Once you put information there, God knows what happens. For this you cannot do this because nobody is going to use it if you do like that. It needs to be locked. But this could be interesting. I understand where you're going with this. That will help me. I'm sure that other people are thinking about it, or other people are doing that. Probably I never heard who is doing that, but I'm sure that this is something some people should already do.

27:17  And how do you think, again, sorry if I missed, how do you think we could feed it from the front line? I'm not sure whether directly from the frontline, but my partner has connections to the various, let's call them laboratories, the military small workshops.

27:49  So some of the information he and his engineers already have. Some of the information they have from this laboratory is in exchange probably for either possibility to answer their questions. Access? Well, access probably not because too many people will have access to DMS. but at least we can ask for their questions specifically,

28:17  but most importantly, we can provide them their spare parts for the things that will be necessary for them. Basically, for example, if I'm talking about the charmers, because that's something that I know is more than something else, but let's think about, for example, drones, right? Okay, because I don't know too much about that, even though I got a lot, we were buying the cell cells mostly.

28:48  So this is something which is pretty hard to develop yourself from scratch. But if you want to improve something, there are a number of ways how to improve. But you need a lot of... There are many melons, for example, we are talking about the cameras. How do you build the camera? You can do multiple tests.

29:18  You will burn a lot of cameras. Maybe you will hit once, maybe not. There will be some idea, maybe there are some repetitive. Basically you will burn more and more cameras and so on. So your R&D becomes very, very expensive. If you keep all the knowledge and you basically... You get cheaper. You save money. Because it gives you the results of the previous... From everybody else?

29:47  Yeah, but also from your own experiments. And then it goes back and then that's how you... This is the biggest use case for AI. You save money. Yeah, yeah, at least. So, this is one of the things that when you talk about AI, I was thinking about you create some service for the company.

30:16  I didn't think that you would be actually developing the chips that you would be installing. Because this is, I think you need to be very, very integrated with the drone producer. like from what i understand maybe i'm wrong but you know like you know because it's part it changes but you need to be really integrated or they will be you have to say okay i have a special like i'm like i have a specialty in ai with like team and uh you can program for you

30:50  like uh according to your task because your task can change from uh from month to month that's definitely but also also it's pretty hard to do it from outside of your time yes it is i mean i'll have like for example this um they want they want to talk face to face so they want me to go to Dnipro. Did you go to Dnipro?

31:18  No, I'm thinking about going there. They mean business, you know, these guys. They already told me. Drozd and General Svechnia I find. Something similar that works. So I have this factory in Kyiv that they want to give me some drones already with anti-jammer system that to each frequency. They said come here we give you some drones you can give to them. So you know I'm doing like I'm trying to do like some I'm trying to do some matchmaking right now

31:53  you know like I'm doing my own research and development to see where what I would like to do you know there is stuff I would like to do and there may be stuff that I have to do. You know those are different things. How difficult would it be to send drones to explode people's head? I have a daughter. We don't have that karma. So, I'm talking with you, I'm talking with many people to see. I see. I look at it from a different perspective.

32:22  As you know, of my relatives during last century and so on, I'm not thinking about that I will, like, you know, explode someone's head. I'm thinking that I'm protecting the people so that their heads are not exploding. Yes. And that's the only way you can do this. you you can do this yes that's my help you just said just a bit like to me like I don't even wait I don't have this problem at all

33:09  I saw Mariana here and I'm like, where is she? She was already going somewhere. That was my daughter, she would like to go somewhere, all the time she was smiling, people were attacking her on the special, when we went to Italy, it's like you know, really crazy, but they didn't care, they never asked you, can I take it, they just grabbed it, they just said, oh my baby, and so on.

33:56  Yeah, yeah. But, okay, so, just for me to know how we can cooperate on that. So if you, at least, you know, like, if you know about some request for, you know, to do this matchmaking, and if you need to find some more information, who can do what, or some other request, I can assist with that. If I know someone. So you have drone detectors?

34:28  Yeah, we have two detectors. And the anti-drones, what do they do? They intercept the radio? They jam the signal. And then? And then the drone falls down. Okay. And our idea is... But you know when you jam the signal, the drone doesn't go down automatically. It stays in the air. It can lose the signal when it's on the testing. So when it loses the signal with the operator,

34:57  then it just goes crazy and then it goes down. So it loses control as well, not just coming. Two things. Another idea how to work with it, but I'm not there too much. How to shoot them or destroy them or destroy the camera. and there are a few other things to the test. But, for our underground, it's not for the drones on the fiber optics,

35:29  because we have to jam it. So it's only jamming for this. At some point, I was thinking, why do we need to do it? Because the pipeline is filled with this. We need to get a contract to clean it after a while. That's going to be huge. But the guys told me, look, that's true, there is a lot of fiber optics, but once we start not using the jammers against the,

36:02  or the scented bombs against those that are on the radio thing, then they will appear right away because they are faster, they are a little bit more reliable, they are longer and so on. And then I realized that no, this antidrone, the noise, jamming, this is something that will always be there only because the technology is known

36:33  and it will be very easy to restore this technology once, for example, If you are not jamming the signal, then the drones with the radio frequency will appear right away. Yes, yes. Therefore, this is something that we realized, but we need to do it. I think this could be interesting.

37:02  You know, these guys, they told me exactly what they are using and what I could find for them. I think, I have the impression that if I find, if I figure out the same thing that they are using, they could buy it from us. But I need to go there and talk with them. Do you have some drones, there's some anti-drones or drones detector ready?

37:32  Like that we could maybe give one or two to them for testing? Okay, so there will be... everything that was ready was already like taken. So you have cultures? Are you the brave one? Yeah, we are the brave one. I think even we are like marketing there, but that's not the best, that's not so far our channel. But you can actually go on the Drayvana, I can send you the links to call it. But now, as I told you, we would like to make it a little better.

38:03  So they are already better, but a little bit better. So now we ordered a small batch for these detectors. I think they should be ready by the end of June or the beginning of July. Then I will be able to give it to them. Because that's a second generation of our product,

38:31  which we would like to give to various... I guess not to sell it right away to someone who already has us, because they knew our quality and so on, and they know the developer for quite a long time. This circuit was already on the market, on the phone line for two and a half years. So we will just see to get the feedback and then make maybe some improvements, maybe not, and then make the payment for production.

39:02  That's for detectors. I hope you will be able to finalize the product that we can actually well we can now make like 10 In how much time Within months So it because it normally it like how much we can do within a month right so normally you have to be ready to do it like 5 000 for example you know that's that's the kind of like normal capacity if your product is like you know good everybody needs that because why?

39:34  Now more and more, we were thinking first about putting them on the cars specifically for the medics and for those who do the rotation. But now more and more people need to use that for the NRC, for the land drones. you know for the for those for the drones that are going on the on the

40:05  ground ground UGV so there's UAE and UGV right so this for that and this ground vehicles they are expensive they also don't live fast, they don't live long, but we can put our jammer on them, then they can live longer,

40:35  and that's kind of like they said, saves the money for the military, and saves either munition or supply, or even lives, if that's the UGV, which for example brings the wounded from the battlefield, right? So then, you know, so we, so the cost, and for that, you know, like, they will, you will need a lot of that, so it will be like, you know, not five pounds. But this, unfortunately, we are not there so far, but we'll see. We'll see. Maybe this LLM will help. Maybe it's not LLM, then maybe our own work will help. We'll see.

41:14  Now let's say you are using the LLM and you are, because the LLM is more like, it works usually, but usually you extract it, right? Usually. Like you don't go to the LLM and say, ah, just do the test today, A plus B plus C, and the C will work because of this and this and that. usually go and ask them about the test

41:45  what is the frequency what is the data that gives to you you take that information you leave your desk and if it works or not the LLM stays there you're not going back and give feedback okay you know so that's that's another things so I think the idea is good I'm just like trying trying to think how it could be said because it's very important to be fed otherwise we have a

42:18  Wikipedia old knowledge there That's not in Ukraine. On the other hand, in Ukraine or in Ukraine? In Ukraine. Yeah, yeah, okay. But then, you know, you're thinking about whether it's where it will be safe to go, to stay, always connected to power, always connected to internet, right?

42:50  Yeah, it needs to be. And so these videos from, I'm just thinking a little bit now, because all the footage goes somewhere. Yeah, but that's the military stuff. They have this Delta, you know, the system. They have Krupova, which is also, that's kind of like a climbing and operational tool, still in the system. I am sure, you know, I think from here,

43:19  someone is in fact providing some capabilities for Ukrainian military because, Can you imagine how many, you know, there's on the front line, there's like 700 people, 700,000, right? Imagine like 70,000 are using the various collectors of information, either, you know, phones or drones or cameras or everything else.

43:48  And it's all the time, it's quite a bit, so you can't imagine what type of system it could be. But I think that it's definitely not that each brigade has their own, no. It's all integrated. How to get access to that? One thing only military uses. Yeah, that's very hard to get access to. That's not the typical. No, but I was thinking that it is in our case the knowledge from the laboratories, all these workshops,

44:21  Now if you record the test, it could be one thing. It's small, but at least record microphones. It's easy to speak, you know. But the laboratories should be aware that they need to input something for it to go. That's hard to enforce.

44:49  This was my idea about how to collect the information for my partner. I just believe that he knows how to collect it. Yeah? Great. Because we can put the thing together, for sure. I'm just like doing the devil's advocate here. The LLM will do very easily. So one of your line of the business is in the real estate?

45:19  We have import-export as well. How do you use the L&M? Well, for import-export there is a lot of documents that they need to check. It depends on the country, it depends on what they export and import. So the L&M usually... It's not even an L&M, it's an AI. It goes and compares the documents, it points out what is wrong, it checks the order for 10 and the document came for 11, so there is a discrepancy.

45:51  All these documents need to be in line because otherwise the goods arrive at the port and shit hits the fan. Or the client orders 100, once the factory is done they send the packing list and it's like 50, you know, if you don't match them and stuff like that. Just imagine, it's hard to imagine for me, how do you find the clients like that? Because either they need to have their own in-house or they need to know...

46:23  These guys operate on Excel sheet. The 70% of their revenue, their expenditure goes into staff. They have one guy to hold the ladder, the other one to hold the lamp and the other one too. Oh, ok. Actually, I saw very interesting. How many Ukrainians do you need to put the boat? I love those jokes. No, but there is only one. And why? Because the guy puts the

46:55  boat on the drone and then put there and the drone rotates. I think I saw a video like that. You saw this video? Yeah, I saw the video. I didn't save it because I wanted to send it to someone and i was trying to find it and it just disappeared in my feet but yeah that was very funny video yeah you know you need to be very skillful to put them man these guys are crazy videos they go inside the chimney and going up and back and down no they go inside the chimney like a hole like this they go inside and fast and two three times yeah but a lot of chimney

47:28  in a house. I saw a lot of videos where the guys are actually testing you know like there's this big warehouses so they built there some you know like you can say it for the competition but that's you know multi-threaded so they do different like you know like obstacles and so on and then they give you the delay that's the point that your drone needs to do and then you do it on time so

47:56  like two almost like it's exactly two two two two similar um or exact uh patterns then you have it your friend and then you do like who gets uh who checks all the checkpoints like those uh it's like those uh red bull airplanes yeah yeah something like that that's the drones and within the uh in the warehouse but these are these are those smalls uh fpd right yeah Ukraine produced 20,000 or not? You don't need to produce 20,001, right? You don't need to go into that.

48:31  Well, I was actually, I was producing, but I was buying and organizing. So basically I had the requests and I also had some like friends and family who were saying they wanted to donate specifically for drones like you know and it was like two years ago like a year and a half ago and they were giving me money and what i did i was i just know a couple of the guys who were

49:00  like you know they they're they're engineers they made their work was to do something on you know like on their work but then in the evenings they were uh you know actually assembling the drone and so yeah so that's uh that's how i was kind of like a drone producer only because I just paid for the for this purpose. I get some locally, some from AliExpress and then make this FPV drones. But I think that yeah, there are a lot of them but they're still needed.

49:38  The thing is that they needed something more sophisticated, not something that you can buy in the store or collect with the... Even this also can be Tesla, but the probability that it will be working, not very big. They are working now with 20 to 30 kilometers there, so you need strong battery, strong

50:07  radio and multi-channel translators. Actually, now we follow this former company that graduated. It's very funny. This last summer, one of my friends, he was telling about the idea that two drones are drones are flying and so the Russians can go deep into the underground tube. So they communicate with them and then they go to different things.

50:43  He has that idea and then two months later this former that's actually the thing that they can do so they communicate with them. But the moment in the course of the... The eight-point shift? Good that we saw each other. Let's then continue on the... Let's continue, yeah.

51:12  On the other day, because I... You will have to stand. So, you will have to stand. So I stand. I will have to stand. No, I see. You will have to stand and the case will be closed. I see you through the window, look to the right. See, I'm waving. I can't see you there. I'm waving, by the way.

52:00  Or when I will be driving back to Austria, you can again coordinate. I'll have to go to Kiosk to grab this drone. Anyway, so we talk again. Have a good day. Thank you.